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Fantasy » alt.fan.pratchett » [I] I have something to celebrate
[I] I have something to celebrate [message #290214] Sa, 24 Juni 2006 12:05
Diane L  
I've just got the result for my last Open University course
('The Client Side of Applications Development' - basically
JavaScript), and I got a Distinction. I've never done any
programming before, I found the course bloody hard, I
even thought seriously about giving up half way through,
but I did it! And I'm so happy I've just read an entire
[M] thread without once feeling the need to batter anybody
around the head with a blunt instrument.

Diane L.
Re: [I] I have something to celebrate [message #290219 ] Sa, 24 Juni 2006 12:15
sphira9343  
Diane L wrote:
> I've just got the result for my last Open University course
> ('The Client Side of Applications Development' - basically
> JavaScript), and I got a Distinction.

Congratulations! :-)

CCA
Re: [I] I have something to celebrate [message #290221 ] Sa, 24 Juni 2006 12:18
Gideon Hallett  
"Diane L" <dianenews [at] lindquist.plus.com> wrote in
news:4g4h44F1lsvn7U2 [at] individual.net:

> I've just got the result for my last Open University course
> ('The Client Side of Applications Development' - basically
> JavaScript), and I got a Distinction.

That's wonderful news!

> I've never done any
> programming before, I found the course bloody hard, I
> even thought seriously about giving up half way through,
> but I did it!

Good on you for sticking with it, and well done for doing so
creditably.

cheers,

Gideon.

(On an almost completely unrelated topic, as of yesterday, I'm now
a RIPE object, and have my own entry in the WHOIS database.)
Re: [I] I have something to celebrate [message #290239 ] Sa, 24 Juni 2006 15:03
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
The time: 24 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
speaker: "Diane L" <dianenews [at] lindquist.plus.com>

> I've just got the result for my last Open University course
> ('The Client Side of Applications Development' - basically
> JavaScript), and I got a Distinction. I've never done any
> programming before, I found the course bloody hard, I
> even thought seriously about giving up half way through,
> but I did it!

Yay!

> And I'm so happy I've just read an entire
> [M] thread without once feeling the need to batter anybody
> around the head with a blunt instrument.

Gosh. Maybe I should start taking OU courses...

--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
Suggs against sexism. It's Madness gone
politically correct.
Jon Holmes, The Now Show 26/5/06
Re: [I] I have something to celebrate [message #290242 ] Sa, 24 Juni 2006 15:28
esmi  
on 24/06/2006 11:05 Diane L said the following:
> I've just got the result for my last Open University course
> ('The Client Side of Applications Development' - basically
> JavaScript), and I got a Distinction.
<snip>

Way to go! Congratulations! Does this mean I have somewhere to go when I
need that extra bit of javascript somewhere?

<g,d&rlb>

esmi
Re: [I] I have something to celebrate [message #290256 ] Sa, 24 Juni 2006 17:12
Dom  
Diane L wrote:
> I've just got the result for my last Open University course
> ('The Client Side of Applications Development' - basically
> JavaScript), and I got a Distinction.

You can get courses in programming now? I wish I'd known
that when I started ;-)

Seriously though, congratulations :)

--
Dom
afpSlave to CCA
Re: [I] I have something to celebrate [message #290258 ] Sa, 24 Juni 2006 18:55
Aggie Angst  
"Diane L" <dianenews [at] lindquist.plus.com> wrote in message
news:4g4h44F1lsvn7U2 [at] individual.net...
> I've just got the result for my last Open University course
> ('The Client Side of Applications Development' - basically
> JavaScript), and I got a Distinction. I've never done any
> programming before, I found the course bloody hard, I
> even thought seriously about giving up half way through,
> but I did it! And I'm so happy I've just read an entire
> [M] thread without once feeling the need to batter anybody
> around the head with a blunt instrument.
>
> Diane L.

Very Good and Congratulations!
:)
Don't throw away your blunt instrument though.
You never know when it might come in handy.

Aggie
Re: [I] I have something to celebrate [message #290278 ] Sa, 24 Juni 2006 22:05
Lesley Weston  
in article 4g4h44F1lsvn7U2 [at] individual.net, Diane L at
dianenews [at] lindquist.plus.com wrote on 24/06/2006 3:05 AM:

> I've just got the result for my last Open University course
> ('The Client Side of Applications Development' - basically
> JavaScript), and I got a Distinction. I've never done any
> programming before, I found the course bloody hard, I
> even thought seriously about giving up half way through,
> but I did it! And I'm so happy I've just read an entire
> [M] thread without once feeling the need to batter anybody
> around the head with a blunt instrument.

Excellent!

--
Lesley Weston.

Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Re: [I] I have something to celebrate [message #290300 ] Sa, 24 Juni 2006 23:45
Thomas Zahr  
Diane L posted:

....

> but I did it! And I'm so happy I've just read an entire
> [M] thread without once feeling the need to batter anybody
> around the head with a blunt instrument.

You better watch that ... but well done!

--
Ciao

Thomas =:-)
<I'm feeling so tired, all of a sudden>
Re: [I] I have something to celebrate [message #290343 ] So, 25 Juni 2006 02:45
FiX01  
On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:05:57 +0100, "Diane L"
<dianenews [at] lindquist.plus.com> wrote:

>I've just got the result for my last Open University course
>('The Client Side of Applications Development' - basically
>JavaScript), and I got a Distinction. I've never done any
>programming before, I found the course bloody hard, I
>even thought seriously about giving up half way through,
>but I did it! And I'm so happy I've just read an entire
>[M] thread without once feeling the need to batter anybody
>around the head with a blunt instrument.

Congrats!

I mean, about the patience diaplayed in not barging in the [M] threads
with an atom bom or three, of course ;-P

FiX
Re: [I] I have something to celebrate [message #290412 ] So, 25 Juni 2006 14:30
CeltiKaos  
On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:05:57 +0100, Diane L wrote:

> I've just got the result for my last Open University course
> and I got a Distinction.

Congratulations! :)
--
Kind regards,

Julian Hall
"I'm only on the planet because I missed the bus home"
Re: [I] I have something to celebrate [message #290418 ] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 03:09
Elder1  
On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 06:05:57 -0400, a collection of particles arranged in
such a way as to form a person that we would recognise as Diane L,
influenced tha intarweb to propagate the following:

> I've just got the result for my last Open University course ('The Client
> Side of Applications Development' - basically JavaScript), and I got a
> Distinction. I've never done any programming before, I found the course
> bloody hard, I even thought seriously about giving up half way through,
> but I did it! And I'm so happy I've just read an entire [M] thread
> without once feeling the need to batter anybody around the head with a
> blunt instrument.
>
> Diane L.
As I have posted, sometime in the future, (apologies to those who
recognise this) JavaScript (or is that javaScript), can be somewhat
somewhat troublesome to master. Having been coding since 1975, I find
that said language can present challenges at times. I have enjoyed
significant personal happiness at finally having that window.open(), or
new.date() to work first time... Some beautiful things can be achieved
with 'the script'. I'm looking forward to your first DOM...

C:\>
[bungie cords retract, removing the recipient from the dangers of flails,
etc. as the lurker returns to the ceiling... ObStacie: I have four
limbs...)
C:\>
--
"Where do you want to go today?" "I'm thinking http://gentoo.org"
Re: [I] I have something to celebrate [message #290546 ] So, 25 Juni 2006 21:01
pjamison2  
"Diane L" <dianenews [at] lindquist.plus.com> wrote in message
news:4g4h44F1lsvn7U2 [at] individual.net...
> I've just got the result for my last Open University course
> ('The Client Side of Applications Development' - basically
> JavaScript), and I got a Distinction. I've never done any
> programming before, I found the course bloody hard, I
> even thought seriously about giving up half way through,
> but I did it! And I'm so happy I've just read an entire
> [M] thread without once feeling the need to batter anybody
> around the head with a blunt instrument.
>


Conga-rats!!!

--

Paul E. Jamison

"I traveled to a planet with no bilateral symmetry
and all I got was this lousy F-shirt."
Re: [I] I have something to celebrate [message #290695 ] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 01:19
raltbos  
"Diane L" <dianenews [at] lindquist.plus.com> wrote:

> I've just got the result for my last Open University course
> ('The Client Side of Applications Development' - basically
> JavaScript), and I got a Distinction.

Oh, well done!

> I've never done any programming before,

Even better done.

Richard
Re: [I] I have something to celebrate [message #291053 ] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 21:35
carol  
Diane L <dianenews [at] lindquist.plus.com> wrote:

> I've just got the result for my last Open University course
> ('The Client Side of Applications Development' - basically
> JavaScript), and I got a Distinction.

Well done!

--
Carol
"Yes, the shags have eaten our camera, I'm afraid...."
Simon King on "Springwatch"
Re: [I] I have something to celebrate [message #291079 ] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 23:27
Diane L  
Elder1 wrote:

<I passed a course in JavaScript>

> As I have posted, sometime in the future, (apologies to those who
> recognise this) JavaScript (or is that javaScript), can be somewhat
> somewhat troublesome to master. Having been coding since 1975, I find
> that said language can present challenges at times. I have enjoyed
> significant personal happiness at finally having that window.open(),
> or new.date() to work first time... Some beautiful things can be
> achieved with 'the script'. I'm looking forward to your first DOM...

I got some funny looks while reading a book called 'DOMScripting'
on the bus.

Diane L.
Re: [I] I have something to celebrate [message #292100 ] Mi, 28 Juni 2006 09:02
Elder1  
On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:27:54 +1000, a collection of particles arranged in
such a way as to form a person that we would recognise as Diane L,
influenced tha intarweb to propagate the following:

> Elder1 wrote:
>
> <I passed a course in JavaScript>
>
[---8<--- stuff i said]
>
> I got some funny looks while reading a book called 'DOMScripting' on the
> bus.
>
> Diane L.
There you go. They want web content, but complain about just where it
comes from. ;-)
C:\>
webmonkey is your friend.

--
"Where do want to go today?" "I'm thinking http://gentoo.org"
Re: [I] Posting format // was I have something to celebrate [message #292617 ] Do, 29 Juni 2006 09:11
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Elder1 wrote:
> Diane L wrote:

>> I got some funny looks while reading a book called 'DOMScripting' on the
>> bus.
>>
>> Diane L.
> There you go. They want web content, but complain about just where it
> comes from. ;-)
> C:\>

A few requests regarding posting format (this is not aimed only at you,
but to anyone watching):

(1) Trim the person's name.
(2) Leave a blank line between the text you quote and the text you
write (with the possible exception of traditional cascades).
(3) Leave another blank line before you sign off.

It would then look like this - much nicer.

>> I got some funny looks while reading a book called 'DOMScripting' on the
>> bus.
>
> There you go. They want web content, but complain about just where it
> comes from. ;-)
>
> C:\>

Thanks,

Adrian.
Re: [I] Posting format // was I have something to celebrate [message #292648 ] Do, 29 Juni 2006 13:49
Aggie Angst  
"8'FED" <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> wrote in message
news:e7vucf$11i0$1 [at] mud.stack.nl...
> Elder1 wrote:
>> Diane L wrote:
>
~~~~~~~~snippers~~~~~~~~~
>
> A few requests regarding posting format (this is not aimed only at you,
> but to anyone watching):
>
> (1) Trim the person's name.
> (2) Leave a blank line between the text you quote and the text you
> write (with the possible exception of traditional cascades).
> (3) Leave another blank line before you sign off.
>
> It would then look like this - much nicer.
>
>>> I got some funny looks while reading a book called 'DOMScripting' on the
>>> bus.
>>
>> There you go. They want web content, but complain about just where it
>> comes from. ;-)
>>
>> C:\>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adrian.

I always like to leave the person's name for clarity of whom the reply is
intended. After the threads go nova, it helps me keep up. Is the lack name
trim horrible manners or just a preference?

Thanks in advance.
:)
Aggie
Re: [I] Posting format // was I have something to celebrate [message #292654 ] Do, 29 Juni 2006 14:19
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Aggie Angst wrote:

> I always like to leave the person's name for clarity of whom the reply is
> intended. After the threads go nova, it helps me keep up. Is the lack name
> trim horrible manners or just a preference?

Not horrible manners, but a little untidy, IMO. When I reply to your
post, I'll generally snip people's names anyway.

Adrian.
Re: [I] Posting format // was I have something to celebrate [message #292657 ] Do, 29 Juni 2006 14:55
esmi  
on 29/06/2006 12:49 Aggie Angst said the following:

> I always like to leave the person's name for clarity of whom the reply is
> intended. After the threads go nova, it helps me keep up. Is the lack name
> trim horrible manners or just a preference?

Probably veering towards 'horrible bad manners', IMO. Sorry. The name of
the person you're responding to should be obvious from the attrib line
at the top, so it's not really necessary to repeat it at the bottom.

--
esmi
Re: [I] Posting format // was I have something to celebrate [message #292665 ] Do, 29 Juni 2006 15:08
nomail  
Aggie Angst <aggieangst [at] myinvalidway.com> wrote:

> I always like to leave the person's name for clarity of whom the reply is
> intended. After the threads go nova, it helps me keep up. Is the lack name
> trim horrible manners or just a preference?

Preference. And, for me, at least, good manners. After the thread has
gone five or six people, all I see on the screen when it pops up is "XXX
wrote "YYY wrote "ZZZ wrote "AAA wrote "BBB wrote "CCC wrote"""""".

My mail reader does a little graphical representation of the thread, so
if I want to se who wrote what, I can just move my mouse a little. Is
this unique to my reader? It seems like something that wouldn't be all
that hard to do (I'm using a *shareware* reader, for crying out loud!)
and quite useful.
Re: [I] Posting format // was I have something to celebrate [message #292677 ] Do, 29 Juni 2006 15:42
esmi  
on 29/06/2006 14:08 Boyd Bottorff said the following:

<snip>
> After the thread has
> gone five or six people, all I see on the screen when it pops up is "XXX
> wrote "YYY wrote "ZZZ wrote "AAA wrote "BBB wrote "CCC wrote"""""".

Now I'd argue that by that time (and with the possible exception of [C]
threads], the attrib lines shouldn't show every poster in that
sub-thread. Just the one you're responding to and, if absolutely
necessary, the one before that *if* you have to quote their original
text in order to retain coherence.

One of the reasons for including attrib lines is so that people who
missed the first part of the thread can backtrack if necessary. In
theory, if each followup just includes the attrib from the immediately
previous poster, that should still be possible.

> My mail reader does a little graphical representation of the thread, so
> if I want to se who wrote what, I can just move my mouse a little. Is
> this unique to my reader? It seems like something that wouldn't be all
> that hard to do (I'm using a *shareware* reader, for crying out loud!)
> and quite useful.

That's not a behaviour I've seen before and I have used a couple of the
more popular screen readers for Windows, so perhaps it isn't a common
feature? Does it depends upon you being able to use a mouse or can you
'tab'[1] into the thread in the same manner?

--
esmi

[1] Or us A.N.Other key?
Re: [I] Posting format // was I have something to celebrate [message #292839 ] Fr, 30 Juni 2006 01:08
nomail  
esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote:

> That's not a behaviour I've seen before and I have used a couple of the
> more popular screen readers for Windows, so perhaps it isn't a common
> feature? Does it depends upon you being able to use a mouse or can you
> 'tab'[1] into the thread in the same manner?

Mouse, or left/right arrows. Left arrow moves you back, right arrow
moves you forward (only to the top message in the graphical display,
which may not be the one you came from). Moving the mouse over any
message in the display will tell you who it's from, and clicking on it
will take you to that message. Enter takes you to the next unread
message you have.
Re: [I] Posting format // was I have something to celebrate [message #293987 ] Sa, 01 Juli 2006 05:59
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Boyd Bottorff wrote:

> My mail reader does a little graphical representation of the thread, so
> if I want to se who wrote what, I can just move my mouse a little. Is
> this unique to my reader? It seems like something that wouldn't be all
> that hard to do (I'm using a *shareware* reader, for crying out loud!)
> and quite useful.

And then there's Google which (unless it's changed recently) thinks
that any line starting with a colon is a quote. Even the one that
follows.

:-|

Adrian.
Re: [I] Posting format // was I have something to celebrate [message #294010 ] Sa, 01 Juli 2006 10:15
Thorsten Ruffle-Brand[1]  
On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 13:29:46 +0930, 8'FED wrote:

> :-|

Not only google - many other newsreaders, too (Pan just did it, too).
Although you can usually customize those. (I might even take a minute to
find out where & how...)

T.
Re: [I] Posting format // was I have something to celebrate [message #294019 ] Sa, 01 Juli 2006 12:28
Lister  
On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 09:15:32 +0100, Thorsten Ruffle-Brandt
<news [at] brumble.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 13:29:46 +0930, 8'FED wrote:
>
>> :-|
>
>Not only google - many other newsreaders, too (Pan just did it, too).
>Although you can usually customize those. (I might even take a minute to
>find out where & how...)
>
>T.
>


Agent does it, too
Re: [I] Posting format // was I have something to celebrate [message #294051 ] Sa, 01 Juli 2006 16:15
Aggie Angst  
"Boyd Bottorff" <nomail [at] nomail.com> wrote in message
news:1hhoru9.tj0nem16q9cfN%nomail [at] nomail.com...
> Aggie Angst <aggieangst [at] myinvalidway.com> wrote:
>
>> I always like to leave the person's name for clarity of whom the reply is
>> intended. After the threads go nova, it helps me keep up. Is the lack
>> name
>> trim horrible manners or just a preference?
>
> Preference. And, for me, at least, good manners. After the thread has
> gone five or six people, all I see on the screen when it pops up is "XXX
> wrote "YYY wrote "ZZZ wrote "AAA wrote "BBB wrote "CCC wrote"""""".
>
That's what I see. It's why I like leaving the name at the bottom. There
can be so many names at the top, I'm not always sure who said what.

> My mail reader does a little graphical representation of the thread, so
> if I want to se who wrote what, I can just move my mouse a little. Is
> this unique to my reader? It seems like something that wouldn't be all
> that hard to do (I'm using a *shareware* reader, for crying out loud!)
> and quite useful.

Mine doesn't do that at all. It says, "Figure it out for yourself! You're
on your own!"

:)
Aggie
Re: [I] Posting format // was I have something to celebrate [message #294103 ] Sa, 01 Juli 2006 21:15
raltbos  
Lister <fache [at] SPAMclara.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 09:15:32 +0100, Thorsten Ruffle-Brandt
> <news [at] brumble.net> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 13:29:46 +0930, 8'FED wrote:
> >
> >> :-|
> >
> >Not only google - many other newsreaders, too (Pan just did it, too).
> >Although you can usually customize those. (I might even take a minute to
> >find out where & how...)
>
> Agent does it, too

Yes, but as Thorsten says, you can change that. Menu Options -> General
Preferences -> tab Display -> Quoted text markers, in the version I use.

Richard
Re: [I] Posting format // was I have something to celebrate [message #294107 ] Sa, 01 Juli 2006 21:24
Lister  
On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 19:15:47 GMT, raltbos [at] xs4all.nl (Richard Bos)
wrote:

>Lister <fache [at] SPAMclara.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 09:15:32 +0100, Thorsten Ruffle-Brandt
>> <news [at] brumble.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 13:29:46 +0930, 8'FED wrote:
>> >
>> >> :-|
>> >
>> >Not only google - many other newsreaders, too (Pan just did it, too).
>> >Although you can usually customize those. (I might even take a minute to
>> >find out where & how...)
>>
>> Agent does it, too
>
>Yes, but as Thorsten says, you can change that. Menu Options -> General
>Preferences -> tab Display -> Quoted text markers, in the version I use.
>
>Richard


That's true
Re: [I] Posting format // was I have something to celebrate [message #294113 ] Sa, 01 Juli 2006 21:18
Eric Jarvis  
Aggie Angst aggieangst [at] myinvalidway.com wrote in
<Vrvpg.1013$cd3.7 [at] newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>:
>
> "Boyd Bottorff" <nomail [at] nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:1hhoru9.tj0nem16q9cfN%nomail [at] nomail.com...
> > Aggie Angst <aggieangst [at] myinvalidway.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I always like to leave the person's name for clarity of whom the reply is
> >> intended. After the threads go nova, it helps me keep up. Is the lack
> >> name trim horrible manners or just a preference?
> >
> > Preference. And, for me, at least, good manners. After the thread has
> > gone five or six people, all I see on the screen when it pops up is "XXX
> > wrote "YYY wrote "ZZZ wrote "AAA wrote "BBB wrote "CCC wrote"""""".
> >
> That's what I see. It's why I like leaving the name at the bottom. There
> can be so many names at the top, I'm not always sure who said what.
>

Unless it's a very convoluted discussion that generally actually implies
that you don't really need to quote all of them. The quoted text doesn't
have to contain the entire chain of logic, just sufficient to ensure that
somebody who hasn't seen the rest of the thread can make sense of the new
text.

Trimming the name is a question of preference. Trimming the sig is a
matter of manners.

--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Re: [I] Posting format // was I have something to celebrate [message #294115 ] Sa, 01 Juli 2006 23:09
Thorsten Ruffle-Brand[1]  
On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 19:15:47 +0000, Richard Bos wrote:

> Menu Options -> General
> Preferences -> tab Display -> Quoted text markers, in the version I use.

Edit -> Preferences -> Body Pane -> Characters denoting quoted text in
Pan 0.14.2

:-)
Re: [I] I have something to celebrate [message #294158 ] So, 02 Juli 2006 12:28
Diane L  
esmi wrote:
> on 24/06/2006 11:05 Diane L said the following:
>> I've just got the result for my last Open University course
>> ('The Client Side of Applications Development' - basically
>> JavaScript), and I got a Distinction.
> <snip>
>
> Way to go! Congratulations! Does this mean I have somewhere to go
> when I need that extra bit of javascript somewhere?

Honestly? I'm not sure. I doubt there's much (if anything) I know that
you don't, but I'd be willing to try if you asked. I could certainly
write you a report about the uses of Javascript and the accessibility
issues around it (since that was 60% of the final assessment), and
tbh if I don't keep practising I'll forget what I've learned.

The course was a twelve week intensive introduction, worth 10 points,
which means I'd need 35 more such courses to get a degree (well,
34, really, since I've already done the html and css course). I did
well on the html one as well, but I already knew about that, whereas
I came into the last course knowing nothing about JS and having
no experience of programming at all.

The plan is to do the 4 other 10 point courses that make up the OU's
'Certificate in Web Apps Development' and then see what I can do
with that. But I've enjoyed these courses so much I've signed up
for some 30 point courses, too. I may end up with a Degree in
Computing, eventually.

Diane L.
Re: [I] Posting format // was I have something to celebrate [message #294545 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 00:10
raltbos  
esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote:

> on 29/06/2006 14:08 Boyd Bottorff said the following:
>
> > After the thread has
> > gone five or six people, all I see on the screen when it pops up is "XXX
> > wrote "YYY wrote "ZZZ wrote "AAA wrote "BBB wrote "CCC wrote"""""".
>
> Now I'd argue that by that time (and with the possible exception of [C]
> threads], the attrib lines shouldn't show every poster in that
> sub-thread. Just the one you're responding to and, if absolutely
> necessary, the one before that *if* you have to quote their original
> text in order to retain coherence.

I would argue against this. There should be just as many attribution
lines as there are levels of quotation in the post. The quotation itself
should be kept to a minimum necessary for comprehension; then the number
of attribution lines will automatically stay low.

> One of the reasons for including attrib lines is so that people who
> missed the first part of the thread can backtrack if necessary. In
> theory, if each followup just includes the attrib from the immediately
> previous poster, that should still be possible.

_If_ the reader's newsfeed is perfect and complete. That can be a rather
big if. Besides, there are other reasons to include all relevant
attributions; for example, making it easier to see who made which points
in a discussion.

Richard
Re: [I] Posting format // was I have something to celebrate [message #294613 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 06:46
Aggie Angst  
"Richard Bos" <raltbos [at] xs4all.nl> wrote in message
news:44aae35a.16636765 [at] news.xs4all.nl...
> esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote:
>
>> on 29/06/2006 14:08 Boyd Bottorff said the following:
>>
>> > After the thread has
>> > gone five or six people, all I see on the screen when it pops up is
>> > "XXX
>> > wrote "YYY wrote "ZZZ wrote "AAA wrote "BBB wrote "CCC wrote"""""".
>>
>> Now I'd argue that by that time (and with the possible exception of [C]
>> threads], the attrib lines shouldn't show every poster in that
>> sub-thread. Just the one you're responding to and, if absolutely
>> necessary, the one before that *if* you have to quote their original
>> text in order to retain coherence.
>
> I would argue against this. There should be just as many attribution
> lines as there are levels of quotation in the post. The quotation itself
> should be kept to a minimum necessary for comprehension; then the number
> of attribution lines will automatically stay low.
>
>> One of the reasons for including attrib lines is so that people who
>> missed the first part of the thread can backtrack if necessary. In
>> theory, if each followup just includes the attrib from the immediately
>> previous poster, that should still be possible.
>
> _If_ the reader's newsfeed is perfect and complete. That can be a rather
> big if. Besides, there are other reasons to include all relevant
> attributions; for example, making it easier to see who made which points
> in a discussion.
>

What Richard said. However I am now snipping poster names cuz I don't want
nobody to holler at me.
;)
Aggie the Coward
Re: [I] Posting format // was I have something to celebrate [message #294614 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 06:50
Aggie Angst  
"Eric Jarvis" <eric [at] ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1f10dad7b58a9234989d92 [at] cenote.gkhs.net...
> Aggie Angst aggieangst [at] myinvalidway.com wrote in
> <Vrvpg.1013$cd3.7 [at] newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>:
>>
>> "Boyd Bottorff" <nomail [at] nomail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1hhoru9.tj0nem16q9cfN%nomail [at] nomail.com...
>> > Aggie Angst <aggieangst [at] myinvalidway.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I always like to leave the person's name for clarity of whom the reply
>> >> is
>> >> intended. After the threads go nova, it helps me keep up. Is the
>> >> lack
>> >> name trim horrible manners or just a preference?
>> >
>> > Preference. And, for me, at least, good manners. After the thread has
>> > gone five or six people, all I see on the screen when it pops up is
>> > "XXX
>> > wrote "YYY wrote "ZZZ wrote "AAA wrote "BBB wrote "CCC wrote"""""".
>> >
>> That's what I see. It's why I like leaving the name at the bottom.
>> There
>> can be so many names at the top, I'm not always sure who said what.
>>
>
> Unless it's a very convoluted discussion that generally actually implies
> that you don't really need to quote all of them. The quoted text doesn't
> have to contain the entire chain of logic, just sufficient to ensure that
> somebody who hasn't seen the rest of the thread can make sense of the new
> text.
>
> Trimming the name is a question of preference. Trimming the sig is a
> matter of manners.
>
> --
Well I definitely agree on a signature trim. If one reads or posts here
with any regularity, one has seen signatures aplenty.

Aggie
Re: [I] Posting format // was I have something to celebrate [message #294631 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 08:42
aqusenet  
Aggie Angst <aggieangst [at] myinvalidway.com> wrote:

> "Eric Jarvis" <eric [at] ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1f10dad7b58a9234989d92 [at] cenote.gkhs.net...
> > Aggie Angst aggieangst [at] myinvalidway.com wrote in
> > <Vrvpg.1013$cd3.7 [at] newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>:
> >>
> >> "Boyd Bottorff" <nomail [at] nomail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1hhoru9.tj0nem16q9cfN%nomail [at] nomail.com...
> >> > Aggie Angst <aggieangst [at] myinvalidway.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I always like to leave the person's name for clarity of whom the reply
> >> >> is
> >> >> intended. After the threads go nova, it helps me keep up. Is the
> >> >> lack
> >> >> name trim horrible manners or just a preference?
> >> >
> >> > Preference. And, for me, at least, good manners. After the thread has
> >> > gone five or six people, all I see on the screen when it pops up is
> >> > "XXX
> >> > wrote "YYY wrote "ZZZ wrote "AAA wrote "BBB wrote "CCC wrote"""""".
> >> >
> >> That's what I see. It's why I like leaving the name at the bottom.
> >> There
> >> can be so many names at the top, I'm not always sure who said what.
> >>
> >
> > Unless it's a very convoluted discussion that generally actually implies
> > that you don't really need to quote all of them. The quoted text doesn't
> > have to contain the entire chain of logic, just sufficient to ensure that
> > somebody who hasn't seen the rest of the thread can make sense of the new
> > text.
> >
> > Trimming the name is a question of preference. Trimming the sig is a
> > matter of manners.
> >
> > --
> Well I definitely agree on a signature trim. If one reads or posts here
> with any regularity, one has seen signatures aplenty.

Many of the more sane bits of usenet software strip sigs automatically.

One day I should get around to setting one up on this computer

--
'q
Re: [I] Posting format // was I have something to celebrate [message #294635 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 08:50
Hendrik Schober  
Aggie Angst <aggieangst [at] myinvalidway.com> wrote:
> "Richard Bos" <raltbos [at] xs4all.nl> wrote in message
> news:44aae35a.16636765 [at] news.xs4all.nl...
> > esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote:
> >
> > > on 29/06/2006 14:08 Boyd Bottorff said the following:
> > >
> > > > After the thread has
> > > > gone five or six people, all I see on the screen when it pops up is
> > > > "XXX
> > > > wrote "YYY wrote "ZZZ wrote "AAA wrote "BBB wrote "CCC wrote"""""".
> > >
> > > Now I'd argue that by that time (and with the possible exception of [C]
> > > threads], the attrib lines shouldn't show every poster in that
> > > sub-thread. Just the one you're responding to and, if absolutely
> > > necessary, the one before that *if* you have to quote their original
> > > text in order to retain coherence.
> >
> > I would argue against this. There should be just as many attribution
> > lines as there are levels of quotation in the post. The quotation itself
> > should be kept to a minimum necessary for comprehension; then the number
> > of attribution lines will automatically stay low.
> >
> > > One of the reasons for including attrib lines is so that people who
> > > missed the first part of the thread can backtrack if necessary. In
> > > theory, if each followup just includes the attrib from the immediately
> > > previous poster, that should still be possible.
> >
> > _If_ the reader's newsfeed is perfect and complete. That can be a rather
> > big if. Besides, there are other reasons to include all relevant
> > attributions; for example, making it easier to see who made which points
> > in a discussion.
> >
>
> What Richard said. However I am now snipping poster names cuz I don't want
> nobody to holler at me.

I'm with Richard here, too, so I holler at you for
snipping names!

> ;)
> Aggie the Coward

Schobi the Mean

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Eric Jarvis
Re: [I] Posting format // was I have something to celebrate [message #296833 ] Fr, 07 Juli 2006 01:17
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Hendrik Schober wrote:
> Aggie Angst wrote:

>> What Richard said. However I am now snipping poster names cuz I don't want
>> nobody to holler at me.
>
> I'm with Richard here, too, so I holler at you for
> snipping names!

No, Richard was talking about _attributions_, not names. The
attributions being at the top of the post and names being at the
bottom.

Adrian.
Re: [I] Posting format // was I have something to celebrate [message #296900 ] Fr, 07 Juli 2006 13:00
Hendrik Schober  
8'FED <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> wrote:
> Hendrik Schober wrote:
> > Aggie Angst wrote:
>
> > > What Richard said. However I am now snipping poster names cuz I don't want
> > > nobody to holler at me.
> >
> > I'm with Richard here, too, so I holler at you for
> > snipping names!
>
> No, Richard was talking about _attributions_, not names. The
> attributions being at the top of the post and names being at the
> bottom.

Ah. Well, attributions are mostly names, no?

Schobi

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"The sarcasm is mightier than the sword."
Eric Jarvis
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